I don't know what to do,,,,,
Congratulations Magnus! But your winning saddened me and I've to control my sad feeling....!
Congratulations Magnus! But your winning saddened me and I've to control my sad feeling....!
Greatest tournament!!!!!!!!!!
Enjoyed seeing carlsen on fire!
Enjoyed seeing carlsen on fire!
@manmanmanmanmanman said in #33:
> I'm surprised that Lichess hasn't taken action over this, it is so clearly "cheating" in a technical sense, regardless of what you think of the morality /rights / wrongs of the situation.
Actually it's not. In the long version of the rules (and not the short TL;DR version, which is obviously a TLDR version, and the long version is obviously the one that stands), it says "ASKING another player for help".
This really isn't rocket science people. It's obvious that Chess is in part a social game, and it's obvious that in a non-organized online tournament like this, having someone sitting besides you in your home and having fun with you, who might occasionally point things out on the chessboard, isn't considered a breach of that rule.
The rule is obviously - and I mean VERY obviously - intended to leave room to be able to punish someone who asks their higher-rated friend to help them boost their rating or win a tournament. It's not intended to discourage people sitting together playing on the site.
Also, enforcing the rule in the way you suggests would simply discourage streaming. The only way to enforce that rule effectively is if someone is streaming. So if they had to punish the occasional helpful comment made on a stream, then people would either simply stop streaming when playing on Lichess, or (more likely) leave the site and go play on a different site with less dumb rules.
> I'm surprised that Lichess hasn't taken action over this, it is so clearly "cheating" in a technical sense, regardless of what you think of the morality /rights / wrongs of the situation.
Actually it's not. In the long version of the rules (and not the short TL;DR version, which is obviously a TLDR version, and the long version is obviously the one that stands), it says "ASKING another player for help".
This really isn't rocket science people. It's obvious that Chess is in part a social game, and it's obvious that in a non-organized online tournament like this, having someone sitting besides you in your home and having fun with you, who might occasionally point things out on the chessboard, isn't considered a breach of that rule.
The rule is obviously - and I mean VERY obviously - intended to leave room to be able to punish someone who asks their higher-rated friend to help them boost their rating or win a tournament. It's not intended to discourage people sitting together playing on the site.
Also, enforcing the rule in the way you suggests would simply discourage streaming. The only way to enforce that rule effectively is if someone is streaming. So if they had to punish the occasional helpful comment made on a stream, then people would either simply stop streaming when playing on Lichess, or (more likely) leave the site and go play on a different site with less dumb rules.
Are you kidding ??? What the \*\*\*\* are you talking about man ? You are a biggest looser i ever seen in my life ! You was doing PIPI in your pampers when i was beating players much more stronger then you! You are not proffesional, because proffesionals knew how to lose and congratulate opponents, you are like a girl crying after i beat you! Be brave, be honest to yourself and stop this trush talkings!!! Everybody know that i am very good blitz (and bullet and rapid and classical, but not #9LX i guess) player, i can win anyone in the world in single game! And "d"aniel "n"aroditsky is nobody for me, just a player who are crying every single time when loosing, ( remember what you say about \[idk\] ) !!! Stop playing with my name, i deserve to have a good name during whole my chess carrier, I am Officially inviting you to OTB blitz (or bullet or rapid or classical, but not #9LX i guess) match with the Prize fund! Both of us will invest 44,713.35kr and winner takes it all!
I suggest all other people who's intrested in this situation, just take a look at my results in 2013, 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2021 World championships (but not the 2019 #9LX world championship i guess), and that should be enough... No need to listen for every crying babe, Sven Magnus Øen Carlsen is always play Fair ! And if someone will continue Officially talk about me like that, we will meet in Court! God bless with true! True will never die ! Liers will kicked off...
danya response: You got yourself a deal man. Anytime, anywhere as long as there is proctoring.
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I suggest all other people who's intrested in this situation, just take a look at my results in 2013, 2014, 2016, 2018 and 2021 World championships (but not the 2019 #9LX world championship i guess), and that should be enough... No need to listen for every crying babe, Sven Magnus Øen Carlsen is always play Fair ! And if someone will continue Officially talk about me like that, we will meet in Court! God bless with true! True will never die ! Liers will kicked off...
danya response: You got yourself a deal man. Anytime, anywhere as long as there is proctoring.
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congratulations magnus
So that title was psychic?
@MrPushwood you could play the titled arena
Dear LiChess, please DO NOT PUT SPOILERS in the title, as I may want to watch a recorded stream from the start, not knowing the result!
@eadon said in #48:
> Dear LiChess, please DO NOT PUT SPOILERS in the title, as I may want to watch a recorded stream from the start, not knowing the result!
you can request this in lichess feedback forum
> Dear LiChess, please DO NOT PUT SPOILERS in the title, as I may want to watch a recorded stream from the start, not knowing the result!
you can request this in lichess feedback forum
@athinira
You didn't quote the whole section.
"1. Cheating. We define this as using any external assistance to strengthen your knowledge and, or, calculation ability to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent. Some examples would include computer engine assistance, opening books (except for correspondence games), endgame tablebases, and asking another player for help, although these aren’t the only things we would consider cheating."
Clearly "howell-gate" is caught, I don't see how you could argue otherwise. "using external assistance... unfair advantage ... etc".
Streamers are already responsible for ensuring they do not receive assistance, which is why most go into "emote only" and/or close chat altogether. So there is no "deterrent effect" on streamers.
Also, when money is involved, rules need to be applied more rigorously.
You didn't quote the whole section.
"1. Cheating. We define this as using any external assistance to strengthen your knowledge and, or, calculation ability to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent. Some examples would include computer engine assistance, opening books (except for correspondence games), endgame tablebases, and asking another player for help, although these aren’t the only things we would consider cheating."
Clearly "howell-gate" is caught, I don't see how you could argue otherwise. "using external assistance... unfair advantage ... etc".
Streamers are already responsible for ensuring they do not receive assistance, which is why most go into "emote only" and/or close chat altogether. So there is no "deterrent effect" on streamers.
Also, when money is involved, rules need to be applied more rigorously.
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